RTEMS IRC Log, 29 Nov 2010

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sebhubgood morning02:38
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lekernelhi09:08
lekernelwhat would be the proper way of accessing a device from a filesystem without using the bdbuf layer?09:09
lekerneli.e. I want to execute the read/write/ioctl operations of a device registered with rtems_io_register_driver directly09:09
lekernelsorry: rtems_io_register_name09:10
lekernelrtems_io_{read,write,...} family of functions?09:11
sebhubthe bdbuf layer is mandatory for block devices09:27
lekernelit's going to make a mess with flash block erase, weird block sizes (needed for YAFFS2 tags) and writes that only target a few bytes in the flash09:29
lekernelso, i'd be better off avoiding it entirely than trying to hack around it09:30
lekernelwhat can prevent me from directly opening a raw device in my filesystem (which is flash-specific anyway)?09:31
sebhubso your flash is actually a block device which can read and write blocks (hole blocks)09:31
sebhub?09:31
lekernelyes, but I want the block size to be tunable by the filesystem, for example09:32
sebhubwith the ioctl you can do whatever you want09:32
sebhubthe block size is tunable for patitions of a block device09:32
sebhublogical disks09:32
lekernelwhy use the bdbuf layer?09:32
lekernelas I see it, it serves stricly no purpose in my case, and only makes code (and debugging) more complicated09:33
sebhubyes, this is not a MTD or UBI layer09:34
lekernelI have fundamentally nothing against it (and as you can see, I even wrote a SD card driver that uses it), it's just that it's inappropriate for NAND/NOR flash09:34
sebhubyes, that is also my opinion09:34
sebhubwas this a SDHC driver?09:35
sebhubor via SPI?09:35
lekernelSDHC09:35
lekernelbut i'm not done with it - it's read-only atm, and lacks locking09:35
lekerneli'll send a patch when it's finished09:36
sebhubhm, i need a SDHC driver too, i considered to use the one from FreeBSD09:36
lekernelatm it's not as complete as your SD SPI driver, but it worked with the cards I've tested it with09:37
sebhubwhy didn't you use the FreeBSD SDHC driver?09:37
lekernelI already had simple SD code that was faster to port09:38
sebhubok09:38
lekernelbut not as complete ... the SD spec is a total mess09:39
lekernelhow can one think of such a protocol just to f*** read and write blocks to a dumb memory09:39
sebhubyes, if you look at the high capacitiy hacks, its a real joke09:40
lekernelso, yeah, maybe i'll look at the FreeBSD SDHC code :)09:41
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lekernel_should I define RTEMS_STATUS_CHECKS_USE_PRINTK before including rtems/status-checks.h?12:50
lekernel_some drivers do that, some others don't12:50
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sebhubgood morning01:38
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verm__morning02:04
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kapeelswhois kapeels03:46
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kiwichrissebhub, hi03:56
sebhubhi03:56
kiwichris'cosinus' ... Germany DJ by any chance ?03:57
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sebhubThomas assigned this name03:58
kiwichrisOK03:58
kiwichrisWhat is GCIBot ?03:59
sebhubits new, yesterday it was inactive03:59
kiwichrisIt is juts RTEMS GCI or the whole program ?04:00
sebhubi don't know who started this bot04:00
kiwichrissebhub, Can I ask a FreeBSD USB question ?04:00
kiwichrisnot me04:00
kapeelskiwichris: one of the mentors of one of the organization04:00
kapeelswrote it04:01
kapeelsand shared it with all other projects ..04:01
sebhubyes, just ask04:01
kiwichriskapeels, thanks and nice.04:01
kiwichrishow does a root hub device  get added to a device ?04:02
sebhubthis will be added by the nexus device04:02
sebhub./rtems/freebsd/rtems/rtems-bsd-nexus.c04:03
kiwichrisin the patch in Bugzilla ?04:03
sebhub./rtems/freebsd/dev/usb/controller/ohci_lpc24xx.c:DRIVER_MODULE(ohci, nexus, ohci_driver, ohci_devclass, 0, 0);04:03
sebhubyes, it in the bugzilla tar file04:03
sebhub./rtems/freebsd/rtems/rtems-bsd-autoconf.c04:04
kiwichrisIs this a fast or high speed host controller ?04:04
sebhubohci04:04
kiwichrisso fast04:04
sebhubehci works also04:05
kiwichrisI have looked at this one but I am not seeing the how to the root hub device gets added04:05
sebhubi use the normal FreeBSD device tree04:05
kiwichrisThis is not for RTEMS04:06
sebhubthe root bus will be initialized via a sysinit entry04:06
kiwichrisOk04:06
sebhuband the sysinit is done by mi_startup()04:06
kiwichrisI do not have them or real device tree.04:07
sebhubwhat do you want to do?04:07
kiwichrisDid you port subr_bus.c04:07
sebhubyes04:08
kiwichrisI think I may need to do this.04:08
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verm__why is this bot repeating over and over again06:26
verm__can someone tell it that once is good enough...06:26
sebhubyes, this bot is a bit verbose06:27
sebhuband off topic06:27
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kapeelskristianpaul: sometimes, yes12:02
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verm__DrJoel: for the love of someone shut that bot up14:12
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verm__does it have to spam every X mins?14:12
verm__otherwise it's cool :)14:12
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DrJoelverm__: ask the Drupal guys .. it is there hack to make sure Code In students don't get ignored.14:18
DrJoelMy son went 3 days without feedback from a mentor. :(14:18
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sebhubgood morning01:40
kiwichrissebhub, hi01:42
kiwichrissebhub, do you have a linker script example for _bsd_set_* ?01:50
sebhubI send you one by email01:51
kiwichrisThanks01:52
sebhubsysctl is also supported (independent of the sysctl of the network stack)01:54
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sebhuboriginally i disabled the sysctl and tuneables so save space, but for the network stack this didn't seem to be adequate01:57
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kiwichrissebhub, I noticed you have turned off the __GNUCLIKE___SECTION off02:11
sebhubno, its all inside this section02:12
sebhubi added the _bsd prefix to not interfere with the network stack02:12
kiwichrisAh yes.02:12
kiwichrisYou removed the & from the BEGIN and LIMIT ?02:12
sebhubyes, this is a FreeBSD bug visible on PowerPC with small data area02:13
kiwichrisOk. This broke me.02:13
kiwichrisWell I got warnings02:14
sebhubwhat for warnings?02:14
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kiwichrisThe users of the macro want ** and the array has * so & gives **.02:14
kiwichrisI hope that made sense :)02:15
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sebhubwhich file and line?02:16
kiwichrisInside mi_startup02:17
kiwichrisinit_main.c02:17
sebhubok, I need to fix this warning02:21
kiwichrisI just but back the & in the linker_set.h02:21
sebhubhm, did you remove the []?02:22
kiwichrisin BEGIN and LIMIT ?02:22
sebhubyes02:23
kiwichrisDid not have any !!02:23
sebhubSET_DECLARE02:23
kiwichrisAh ok I may have removed something02:23
kiwichrisIt could be me.02:24
sebhubthe [] is important on powerpc with eabi and small data area02:25
kiwichrisSure. That would work.02:25
sebhub#define SET_DECLARE(set, ptype)\02:29
sebhubextern ptype *__CONCAT(_bsd__start_set_,set) [];\02:29
sebhubextern ptype *__CONCAT(_bsd__stop_set_,set) []02:29
sebhubthis fixes the warning02:30
kiwichrissebhub, where is _bsd_nexus_devices allocated03:37
sebhubrtems/freebsd/machine/rtems-bsd-sysinit.h03:45
sebhubDRIVER_MODULE(nexus, root, nexus_driver, nexus_devclass, 0, 0);03:46
sebhubthis happens via the module mechanic03:46
sebhubplease have a look at the usb-demo from the bugzilla (see file usb-sysinit.h)03:47
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kiwichrissebhub, rman is used in subr_bus.c03:54
sebhubthere are some blocks disabled via #ifdef __rtems__03:54
kiwichrisOk03:54
sebhub#ifndef03:54
kiwichrisAh ok. I do not have an RTEMS compiler so will change it03:55
sebhubyou should define __rtems__03:56
kiwichrisYeap03:56
verm__kiwichris: got access today.. i'll start setting up buildbot03:58
kiwichrisverm__, cool03:58
sebhuboh, another bot ;-)03:59
kiwichrissebhub, this is a nice one that will do builds and run tests04:00
kiwichrissebhub, I can see _bdm_nexus_devices but no actual variable just references04:01
kiwichrisI have the 2010-11-19 patch04:01
sebhubrtems/freebsd/rtems/rtems-bsd-nexus.c04:02
sebhubhere: DRIVER_MODULE(nexus, root, nexus_driver, nexus_devclass, 0, 0);04:02
sebhubthis will make nexus a child of root04:02
kiwichrisI see the code that uses the variable but I cannot see where it is declared04:03
sebhubin your application you have to reference this module descriptor to pull in the nexus device04:03
kiwichrisAh that is the bit I was missing.04:03
kiwichrisIs this in the demo ?04:03
sebhubif you have the module in your executable, then it will put an entry into the module linker set und this will trigger the registration04:04
sebhubyes, in the usb-demo04:04
kiwichrisI will take a look.04:04
sebhubthis is a bit confusing, but the freebsd kernel is only a set of modules and not a library04:05
sebhubit works with the linker set indirection04:05
kiwichrisYes and I like it. Piecing it together can be complex04:05
kiwichrisThis is enough for me today. See you tomorrow.04:06
verm__kiwichris: are the rtems servers running off of someones dsl line?04:06
sebhubcu04:06
kiwichrisIt is the OAR Corp service.04:06
kiwichrisCannot remember the speed. It is not too bad but performance comes and goes and we are not sure why04:07
verm__right, but is it actually colocated at a hosting facility or on a dsl line?04:07
verm__yes04:07
verm__it's insanely slow for me right now04:07
verm__unbelivably slow04:07
kiwichrisOn a DSL line04:07
kiwichrisYeap it can happen.04:07
kiwichrisChecking munim04:07
kiwichrisChecking munin04:07
verm__kiwichris: am i OK for installing packages for rtbf32a?04:08
kiwichrisHave you got root ?04:08
verm__i'm not added to sudo04:09
verm__if that's how you typically do root04:09
kiwichrisCan you send me a list and I will install them.04:09
verm__they're manual installs04:09
verm__i can give you the tarballs04:09
kiwichrisWhat packages ?04:09
kiwichrisPut them on the machine and send me the link04:09
verm__buildbot + it's dependencies.. twisted we can do via yum04:10
verm__alright04:10
kiwichrisso buildbot is not an RPM ?04:10
verm__beats me never checked04:10
verm__only ancient versions04:11
verm__it's fine actually i'll use the devel version of buildbot04:12
verm__let me sort out the other deps though hold on04:12
kiwichrisIs buildbot master on rtems.org ?04:12
verm__no i'll be putting that on rtbf32a04:12
kiwichrisJoel and I where wondering distcc as a way to handle bulds04:12
kiwichrisWhere is the http access ?04:12
verm__probably buildbot.rtems.org and we'll hang that off of rtems.org04:13
verm__using mod_proxy in apache04:13
kiwichrisHave you talked to Joel and Jeff about this ?04:13
kiwichrisI know rtems.org is UPS'ed. Not sure about rtbf32a04:14
verm__if everything is not ups'd then there's no real point in the master having that :)04:15
verm__and yes joel is aware04:15
kiwichrisGood point.04:15
kiwichrisGreat.04:15
verm__i wonder if i can find you guys some cheap hosting in georgia04:15
kiwichrisI suspect the yum repo and tools build bits would make this complex04:16
verm__what do you mean?04:17
kiwichrisRalf pushes large tool yum repo for a wide range of hosts and architecture.04:18
kiwichrisThis is how users get the tool sets04:18
verm__oh04:18
verm__right well we can automate that most likely, and test them as well before shipping it out04:18
verm__after rtems itself is working we can look into that if ralph is interested04:18
kiwichrisThere is a buildbot.noarch package in yum04:21
verm__i'm going to use the git repo04:21
kiwichrisAh ok.04:21
kiwichrisCan this be anywhere on disk ?04:21
verm__well there's a special setup method to use the git repo directly i'll use that04:22
kiwichrisOk04:22
verm__i'm also going to install mysql in my homedir and run it that way04:22
kiwichrisWhere is your home ?04:22
verm__/users/amar04:22
kiwichrisis it nfs mounted or local ?04:23
kiwichrisIt is mounted via nfs04:23
verm__hmm yeah it's nfs i didn't realise04:23
verm__nuts04:23
verm__kiwichris: i need a working mysql install (5.x) twisted and Jinja204:24
verm__and py-mysql04:24
kiwichrisMaybe you should use rtbf64a where your home is local04:24
kiwichrisI am off. cya04:27
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DrJoelaanjhan: are you awake?08:17
DrJoelaanjhan: Can you help http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/rtems/t128933975334? He is trying the GSOC hello world on Ubuntu08:17
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aanjhanDrJoel: yes\10:57
DrJoelaanjhan: thank you.  I thought it would be interesting to see how a Code-In student could handle the gsoc hello world.  That will tell us if the instruction are good enough.  Lowering the entry bar is always important10:58
aanjhanDrJoel: ok. reading the task10:58
aanjhanand his problem10:58
aanjhanDrJoel: and probably I can go through the exercise with him10:59
aanjhanI have a working rtems toolchain setup in my personal laptop10:59
aanjhanbut it should be a good idea to run through the same on my work laptop and see if we are missing something10:59
DrJoelif it turns out to be too hard for the difficulty level, we can kill this task and create one that is harder for them11:00
DrJoelharder ==> more points for them11:01
aanjhanSince my work laptop already has a whole bunch of libs installed11:03
aanjhanits a good idea to create a virtual box image of a fresh install and see how rtems installation goes11:03
aanjhanso that I dont miss out on some libs that might not be present on a fresh install but I have installed it already for some other purposes11:04
DrJoelagreed.  Clean machines tend to point out dependencies that "normal" machines hide11:10
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lekernelhow am I supposed to stat() instead of rtems_io_lookup_name() as http://www.rtems.org/onlinedocs/doxygen/cpukit/html/io_8h.html suggests?12:09
lekernelin struct stat, there is12:09
lekerneldev_t     st_dev;     /* ID of device containing file */12:09
lekerneland nothing else12:10
lekernelah, or is it st_rdev?12:10
lekernelsorry, misread12:10
DrJoellekernel: OK?  rtems_io_lookup_name() uses stat() if you need details12:23
lekernelyup. stat() works12:23
lekernelI just read too fast and missed the fact there was a st_rdev field in the structure12:23
lekernelrtems_io_lookup_name was removed in 4.11, no?12:24
DrJoelI don't remember but don't think so.  It is just not reentrant.12:25
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lekernelto call into my device driver using rtems_io_control, can I set iop to NULL in the request if my device driver doesn't use it?13:06
lekernelif not, what am I supposed to put in it? :)13:06
lekernel(http://www.rtems.org/onlinedocs/doxygen/cpukit/html/structrtems__libio__ioctl__args__t.html)13:06
DrJoelYou should be able to do that.  Is it getting trapped by a NULL check somewhere?13:11
DrJoelbut normally you open the device by name, and use ioctl() via the filesystem13:11
DrJoeljust like posix13:11
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lekernelcan I use the posix calls from within a filesystem itself? won't it bomb if the filesystem calls itself?13:13
HolycryMr. Sherrill could you regive me the task titled: Test Coverage HTML Improvements, I accidentally hit the withdraw button13:14
lekernelI'm a bit cautious about calling open() and creating new file descriptors from within a filesystem...13:15
lekernelbut maybe it just works :)13:16
DrJoelHolycry: can't you reclaim it?13:19
DrJoellekernel: :D13:20
DrJoelHolycry: If Melange won't let you reclaim it you will probably want to pop into #gsoc and see if Sverre can help.  He may have to undo something by hand13:21
HolycryNo I can reclaim it, I just need you to give me the task I reclaimed it13:21
DrJoelWeird.. I didn't get any email updates on that.  You should have it now.13:25
DrJoelDoes the task make sense?13:25
HolycrySo you want the columns 2 through 4 to be in the header right?13:26
DrJoelyes.  But the table is generated by a shell script.13:26
HolycryFrom the rtems-testing CVS module right?13:27
DrJoelright.. rtems-coverage/generate_coverage_html13:27
DrJoelif yuo grab a few tarballs from the coverage directory on the ftp site, you will have enough test data to run the script.13:28
HolycryOk I'll work on it, thanks for the help, if I need more I'll talk to you later, thanks!13:34
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lekernelok, i'm able to create directories on the flash filesystem (which are correctly stored on flash and retrieved later) :)14:52
lekernelI should only need to finish that mad filesystem glue now...14:53
kiwichrislekernel, congradulations14:53
kiwichrislekernel, have to managed to figure out the eval path code ?14:53
kiwichris ... have you ....14:53
lekernelthe normal eval_path yes (and I hate it)14:54
lekerneleval_for_make not yet14:54
kiwichrislekernel, join the club :)14:54
kiwichrisLooking at that code is like a visit to the dentist14:55
kiwichrisIs the fs code in RTEMS's tree or outside as a 3rd party package ?14:56
lekernelit's outside - YAFFS is plain GPL (without linking exception)14:56
kiwichrisOk14:56
lekernelhttps://github.com/lekernel/rtems-yaffs214:56
DrJoelkiwichris: cut and pasted some text for you to review15:01
kiwichrisDrJoel, looks great15:14
DrJoelthanks.15:15
kiwichrisinch by inch15:15
DrJoelyep.. it will happen. :-D15:15
verm__kiwichris: can you install mysql (atleast 5), jinja2 and twisted on rtbf32a?15:27
kiwichrisSure15:28
verm__thanks15:28
verm__DrJoel: where are the rtems servers located? i noticed it's on a dsl connection..15:28
DrJoelverm__: they are not on a DSL connection.  We do have VOIP from the same provider though15:32
verm__they aren't? so they're colocated?15:32
verm__wow, i wonder why the lag is so intense15:32
kiwichrisverm__, installed, how-ever jinja2 is an fc12 package and I have no idea why that would have happened15:33
verm__so what does that mean?15:33
verm__it's not installed?15:33
kiwichrisverm__, it is installed, but yum pulled in an fc12 package. I will ask Ralf.15:34
kiwichrisverm__, the answer will take a few hours ... when he gets up15:34
DrJoelrtems.info is on a cable connection (in my basement) but rtems.org/.com is on a 6Mbps bidirectional link.  Don't know the technology.  rtbf machines are out a 2nd GiGE NIC through a dedicated switch to lab in next room15:34
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DrJoelverm__: the servers are in Huntsville.15:35
verm__oh, hmm 6mb bidirectional...15:36
verm__are you guys using QoS to ensure ssh sessions have the highest priority?15:36
DrJoeldoing iftop, I don't see much traffic15:36
verm__it's not so bad now, last night was unusable15:36
DrJoelverm__: no.. email a link to doing that15:37
verm__hmm i only know how to do it using pf really.. what firewall are you using?15:37
DrJoelverm__: at what time? Ralf complains also and we haven't pinned down what is happening15:37
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DrJoelAdtran dedicated box..15:37
kiwichrisI also look and could not see why15:38
DrJoelright now, yahoo and msn are slowly crawling us but very slowly..15:38
verm__it's probably a twofold issue, partly the isps fault and link conjestion15:38
verm__DrJoel: what model of adtran device?15:38
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verm__we could also do this on the rtems.org machine too since it's the gateway for the lab no?15:39
verm__or do you have vlans setup?15:39
kiwichrisverm__, do you mean buildbot ?15:40
verm__kiwichris: no QoS15:40
kiwichrisOk15:40
verm__so we can put priority on traffic15:40
kiwichrisNice15:40
verm__ie, ssh -> http -> ftp15:40
verm__etc15:40
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verm__well ACK -> ssh -> http -> ftp -> everything else perhaps15:40
DrJoelverm__: pm'ed model15:40
kiwichrismaybe mail with ftp15:40
verm__got it15:41
verm__yeah either way ssh first :)15:41
DrJoelverm__: yes.. rtems.org is gateway to lab .. QoS is possible if you send instructions to jeff who set the account up15:41
DrJoelor tell Chris how to do it :-D15:41
verm__well as you know, i use every unix except linux so i'm not quite sure on how to do it15:42
verm__however i do know people i can ask.. i will do that tonight15:42
kiwichrisI have no idea15:42
DrJoelthanks.. we are always learning15:42
verm__DrJoel: that adran device is old and crusty.. we'll do it off of rtems.org15:42
verm__if we can get a freebsd box with pf i'll have it running in about 15 mins :)15:43
DrJoelI've done the same for my kids' school with a discarded computer and an old fedora15:45
verm__yeah i stopped using hardware based gateways many years ago it's not worth it anymore15:47
kiwichrisverm__, by pf do you mean pfsense ?15:49
verm__no, pf the firewall15:50
kiwichrisOk15:50
verm__pfsense is an all-in-one gateway solution15:50
verm__like m0n0wall15:50
verm__http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/15:50
kiwichristhanks15:51
* kiwichris will be back soon15:52
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lekernelnice... there are still bugs in this damn path evaluation16:19
kiwichrislekernel, did you take a look at the RFS one. I spent a while getting this one corret16:20
lekernelhow to find the current directory node? rtems_filesystem_current.node_access doesn't work reliably16:25
lekernel(and why do I have to deal with that at all in my filesystem to start with)16:25
lekernelyes, I did look at RFS, it works very differently than YAFFS16:26
kiwichrislekernel, it is historical. It started with IMFS which as written to help testing and no one has taken on changing it16:26
kiwichrisI mean just the eval path code in the RFS16:26
lekernelwhen the eval path function gets called, does pathloc contain the current directory?16:27
lekerneland should I use that instead of rtems_filesystem_current?16:27
kiwichrisNo you cannot do this. A file system has no current path, a user does, or in RTEMS a task may16:28
kiwichrisI assume you mean CWD16:28
kiwichrisJust checking the code.16:28
lekernelthe thing is - when I'm in the shell, and type "mkdir blah"16:29
lekernelthat stupid retard calls eval_path with "blah" in pathname - up to me to figure out what the current directory is...16:30
kiwichrisAh yes in the that case pathloc is the current evaluation point.16:30
lekernelso, I used rtems_filesystem_current to deal with those cases, but it doesn't work all the time16:31
kiwichrisJust looking for the answer16:31
kiwichrisThe file systems upper layer calls rtems_filesystem_get_start_loc to find the current location and loads pathloc.16:33
kiwichrisThis code either gets the root or the current.16:33
lekernelah, ok16:34
lekernelcool16:34
kiwichrisThis part of the code is broken because it is not thread safe. I think you find somewhere the "current" can be a task variable and can be switched16:34
lekernelthis simplifies things a bit16:34
lekernelah, and it fixed my bug :)16:35
lekernelthanks16:35
kiwichrisSo when a user does a 'cd' to your file system the eval path will fill a pathloc in with some private data you can use.16:35
kiwichrisThis ends up in current and you use it again16:35
kiwichrisIn the RFS I made sure I could hold any needed data in the pathloc and removed the need to allocate memory and free it when the pathloc is not needed. This is a performance win.16:36
kiwichrisTo finish there are many race conditions in the FS upper layer and this should be fixed. When this happens I hope eval path can be abstracted away from the file systems16:38
DrJoelheading home.. night16:38
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lekernelthat's would be a good idea :)16:38
lekernelwhat's the current status of this work btw?16:38
kiwichrisAn example of a race condition is mkdir -> mknod -> gets current, preempted and current is removed16:39
lekernelah, yes, I was wondering what was supposed to happen in those cases16:39
kiwichrisIt is a big job because all existing file systems would need to be changed.16:39
lekernelso, it just breaks?16:39
kiwichrisYeap16:39
lekernel:|16:40
kiwichrisWe are single process and not multi-user which helps and I suppose partly why this area is not thread safe16:40
kiwichrisMost applications tend to handle this at upper layers. This is no excuse. We do this properly16:40
* lekernel thankfully doesn't do heavy file I/O...16:41
kiwichrisWe should do this ....16:41
kiwichrisIf we could get community funding this size task could be performed.16:41
kiwichrisSebastian and I have been cleanly up the file system. The bdbuf was a major effort and now that is stable and functionally complete16:42
lekernelwell, maybe if I sell a lot of devices :)16:42
kiwichrislekernel, great and the best of luck16:42
kiwichrisI hope this helps you understand the history and the constraints  that exists16:43
kiwichrisI would love to change it but we also need a better device model for hot swap buses and child devices on buses16:44
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sebhubgood morning01:54
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lekernelmost of yaffs2 works now :)13:09
lekernelexcept some bugs with that retarded eval_path and a few missing bits13:09
lekerneleg deleting files with full path (instead of using the current directory) triggers some bug13:10
lekernelbut at least I have something somehow usable13:12
lekernelbtw speaking about awful rtems problems, the ftpd doesn't handle filenames with spaces in them...13:13
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HolycryMr. Sherrill for my task if you remember (Test Coverage HTML Improvements( that's the title)) for columns 2 through 4, Do you want, when they are all the same, to say "constant" at the header, or say exactly what they are suppose to say, such as if they were all yes, just have the header on top say the topic/title of that column then say (yes)?15:16
DrJoelto say in English what the code means15:17
DrJoelSomething like ... sparc/erc32-Os, POSIX enabled, Development enabled (OsPD)15:18
DrJoelDoes that make sense15:20
HolycryOh so for the title you just want it to say sparc/erc32-Os, POSIX enabled, Development enabled (OsPD), and if so does that mean you want me to remove columns 2 through 4 completely or do you want it to check if those columns are constant first and if they are then remove them?15:24
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HolycryMr. Sherrill?15:36
lekernellol: thanks to this wonderful filesystem evaluation infrastructure, any filename longer than IMFS_NAME_MAX on any filesystem will cause problems if the root is IMFS15:36
aanjhanDrJoel: do you think thats a bit too much a task (rtems toolset Ubuntu + hello World) ? I think the wiki page is not clear enough15:36
aanjhanDrJoel: I made some changes toay to that page15:37
aanjhanDrJoel: will modify it better tomorrow. I have a review to finish now. Let me know your views on the task.15:37
lekernelthat is, 3215:37
aanjhanHolycry: you can call him by his nick15:37
aanjhanHolycry: just enter "Dr" and press tab. It shoul auto-complete on a decent irc client15:38
Holycrydr15:38
aanjhanHolycry: hehe15:38
aanjhanHolycry: capital D :P15:38
HolycryDrJoel: Oh so for the title you just want it to say sparc/erc32-Os, POSIX enabled, Development enabled (OsPD), and if so does that mean you want me to remove columns 2 through 4 completely or do you want it to check if those columns are constant first and if they are then remove them?15:38
Holycryhaha thanks15:38
dr__houseaanjhan: no that would mess up because of my nick :P15:39
aanjhanoooooh someone from penn is around15:39
DrJoelaanjhan: If the task expires, I may recreate it for him at a higher difficulty level for more credit15:41
dr__house:)15:41
dr__houseDrJoel: good evening15:41
dr__houseaanjhan: heya :)15:41
DrJoelHolycry: You have to edit the shell script (e.g. program) that generates those tables.  For each table, those columns are constant because the program generated them that way.  At one point, it was a single long table and it made sense for the columns to be there.15:42
mwalleDrJoel: i started preparing my qemu-lm32 patch for upstream merging, still some things todo15:47
aanjhanDrJoel: he is working and is helping in refining that OLD wiki page :-)15:53
aanjhanSo am not complaining.15:53
DrJoelaanjhan: I think it is a good thing.. just maybe harder than what the task was intended to be.  So probably need to find a way to move him to a special one when this one expires16:02
DrJoelmwalle: great!16:02
mwalleDrJoel: to whom did you talked about the merging?16:03
DrJoelqemu powerpc maintainer16:10
DrJoelwould have to look up his name16:10
mwallealex graf?16:11
DrJoelyep!!16:12
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sebhubgood morning01:37
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kristianpaulI think i asked this before, but anway,,12:04
kristianpaulWhat's the min amount of memory to boot rtems?12:04
kristianpaulok seems at least lm32 works with 1Mb12:07
kristianpaulMB*12:07
dr__housekristianpaul: I think it works on smaller systems as well. If I am not mistaken it might run on something as low as 64kB12:13
dr__housekristianpaul: but I don't know what architecture/BSP that is and I am not even sure about the size12:13
kristianpauldr__house: it is  lm3212:16
kristianpaulok i can get 64kB12:16
kristianpauldr__house: it was developed by Fallenou in last GSoc12:17
dr__housekristianpaul: again, I am not too sure about it. And I don't know where I can check the correctness of this information12:17
kristianpaulsure i understand12:18
dr__housekristianpaul: oh well, does this mean it can run on 16kB http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/AVRTest? It says the non volatile EEPROM flash memory on AVR is 16kB.12:20
kristianpaulhmm hard to believe, i dont see too much informatio12:22
dr__housekristianpaul: ok, it runs on 512kB on RTL22xx http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/Rtl22xx12:22
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lekernelhi kiwichris13:49
kiwichrislekernel, well done on the YAFFS port13:50
kiwichrislekernel, does your port make any upstream changes to YAFFS ?13:53
lekernelvery minor ones13:54
kiwichrisWill those be sent upstream ?13:54
lekerneltrying to13:55
kiwichrisGreat.13:55
kiwichrisCan I raise a small issue with about a comment in the RTEMS port of the code.13:56
kiwichris:)13:56
lekernelcan't see which one :p13:58
kiwichrisI am looking for it. It was sent to me :)13:59
kiwichrisI like the YAFFS solution. The need to pay is kind of counter open source but for those that need a solution it provides one and that is ok with me.14:01
kiwichrislekernel, the ycb_eval_path function14:03
kiwichrislekernel, I know you and everyone else hates the eval path code but does this extend to all of the RTEMS file system ?14:04
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kiwichrislekernel, on line 358 of rtems.c should that be "return *pathloc->ops->evalpath ..." ?14:12
lekernelyou mean, to execute the function?14:14
lekernelboth syntaxes are equivalent14:15
lekernelyou can do (*function_pointer)(...) or simply function_pointer(...)14:15
kiwichrisjust wandered off the page and now going back14:15
kiwichrisHang on14:16
lekernel(comment) better now? :p14:16
kiwichrisMany thanks.14:16
lekernelbtw if this filesystem refactoring happens you really should have a look at the FUSE API14:17
lekernelsimple and effective14:17
kiwichrisYes it must be. I was comparing functions and given an int is returned14:17
lekernelmaybe it incurs some memory management overhead, but it's worth it imo14:17
kiwichrisI have and that is a great idea. I had not thought of that14:17
lekerneland if malloc is that slow (?) perhaps you can simply keep a pool of pre-allocated buffer at hand14:17
kiwichrisThe RFS is designed to be taken from RTEMS and glued under things like fuse14:18
lekernelwhy not make a FUSE-like API the standard for all filesystems?14:18
kiwichrisThat the core of the bdbuf layer. I understand the bdbuf and YAFFS not fitting14:18
lekernelit's already well known and well documented14:19
lekernel(and well designed)14:19
kiwichrisGood idea. I will take a closer look.14:19
lekernelI haven't checked out how FUSE handles race conditions, though14:19
kiwichrisWe also have a USB stack port from FreeBSD (PR 1601) and that has mass storage support14:19
kiwichrisI have not looked at the vfs glue it uses.14:20
lekernelhttp://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fuse/14:20
kiwichrisBecause RTEMS is a threaded single process we are a kind of user space.14:21
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lekernelyeah, maybe that could even ease the porting of userspace filesystems designed for FUSE14:22
lekernelI want my sshfs :)14:22
kiwichrisThat is what I was wondering.14:23
kiwichrisI have ported SSL to rtems so the bits are slowly coming14:23
kiwichrisThe memory management is always an issue because we run in some small and slow devices.14:24
kiwichrisThe RFS is designed to run in a slow (50Mhz) processor14:24
lekernelsure, but string related operations to handle paths and filenames operate on rather small strings, no?14:24
lekernelI don't think that could hog even a 50MHz CPU14:25
kiwichrisCompletely agree. I was just looking at fuse14:25
kiwichrisThere is no excuse for eval path. It should be called eval_pain rather than eval_path14:25
kiwichrisor even evil_pain14:26
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HolycryAnyone a little more familiar with Bourne Script code then I am? I have a syntax error and I've been trying to fix it18:25
HolycryHa nevermind finally got it =)18:29
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HolycrySo is there anyway I can contact Joel Sherrill>19:09
Holycry"Dr"19:13
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lekernelhow can I retrieve the IP address of an interface? rtems_bsdnet_ifconfig(iface, SIOCGIFADDR, &ipaddr) ?09:55
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lekernelyup, works :)10:14
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