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| lekernel | hi | 09:08 |
| lekernel | what would be the proper way of accessing a device from a filesystem without using the bdbuf layer? | 09:09 |
| lekernel | i.e. I want to execute the read/write/ioctl operations of a device registered with rtems_io_register_driver directly | 09:09 |
| lekernel | sorry: rtems_io_register_name | 09:10 |
| lekernel | rtems_io_{read,write,...} family of functions? | 09:11 |
| sebhub | the bdbuf layer is mandatory for block devices | 09:27 |
| lekernel | it's going to make a mess with flash block erase, weird block sizes (needed for YAFFS2 tags) and writes that only target a few bytes in the flash | 09:29 |
| lekernel | so, i'd be better off avoiding it entirely than trying to hack around it | 09:30 |
| lekernel | what can prevent me from directly opening a raw device in my filesystem (which is flash-specific anyway)? | 09:31 |
| sebhub | so your flash is actually a block device which can read and write blocks (hole blocks) | 09:31 |
| sebhub | ? | 09:31 |
| lekernel | yes, but I want the block size to be tunable by the filesystem, for example | 09:32 |
| sebhub | with the ioctl you can do whatever you want | 09:32 |
| sebhub | the block size is tunable for patitions of a block device | 09:32 |
| sebhub | logical disks | 09:32 |
| lekernel | why use the bdbuf layer? | 09:32 |
| lekernel | as I see it, it serves stricly no purpose in my case, and only makes code (and debugging) more complicated | 09:33 |
| sebhub | yes, this is not a MTD or UBI layer | 09:34 |
| lekernel | I have fundamentally nothing against it (and as you can see, I even wrote a SD card driver that uses it), it's just that it's inappropriate for NAND/NOR flash | 09:34 |
| sebhub | yes, that is also my opinion | 09:34 |
| sebhub | was this a SDHC driver? | 09:35 |
| sebhub | or via SPI? | 09:35 |
| lekernel | SDHC | 09:35 |
| lekernel | but i'm not done with it - it's read-only atm, and lacks locking | 09:35 |
| lekernel | i'll send a patch when it's finished | 09:36 |
| sebhub | hm, i need a SDHC driver too, i considered to use the one from FreeBSD | 09:36 |
| lekernel | atm it's not as complete as your SD SPI driver, but it worked with the cards I've tested it with | 09:37 |
| sebhub | why didn't you use the FreeBSD SDHC driver? | 09:37 |
| lekernel | I already had simple SD code that was faster to port | 09:38 |
| sebhub | ok | 09:38 |
| lekernel | but not as complete ... the SD spec is a total mess | 09:39 |
| lekernel | how can one think of such a protocol just to f*** read and write blocks to a dumb memory | 09:39 |
| sebhub | yes, if you look at the high capacitiy hacks, its a real joke | 09:40 |
| lekernel | so, yeah, maybe i'll look at the FreeBSD SDHC code :) | 09:41 |
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| lekernel_ | should I define RTEMS_STATUS_CHECKS_USE_PRINTK before including rtems/status-checks.h? | 12:50 |
| lekernel_ | some drivers do that, some others don't | 12:50 |
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| verm__ | morning | 02:04 |
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| kiwichris | sebhub, hi | 03:56 |
| sebhub | hi | 03:56 |
| kiwichris | 'cosinus' ... Germany DJ by any chance ? | 03:57 |
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| sebhub | Thomas assigned this name | 03:58 |
| kiwichris | OK | 03:58 |
| kiwichris | What is GCIBot ? | 03:59 |
| sebhub | its new, yesterday it was inactive | 03:59 |
| kiwichris | It is juts RTEMS GCI or the whole program ? | 04:00 |
| sebhub | i don't know who started this bot | 04:00 |
| kiwichris | sebhub, Can I ask a FreeBSD USB question ? | 04:00 |
| kiwichris | not me | 04:00 |
| kapeels | kiwichris: one of the mentors of one of the organization | 04:00 |
| kapeels | wrote it | 04:01 |
| kapeels | and shared it with all other projects .. | 04:01 |
| sebhub | yes, just ask | 04:01 |
| kiwichris | kapeels, thanks and nice. | 04:01 |
| kiwichris | how does a root hub device get added to a device ? | 04:02 |
| sebhub | this will be added by the nexus device | 04:02 |
| sebhub | ./rtems/freebsd/rtems/rtems-bsd-nexus.c | 04:03 |
| kiwichris | in the patch in Bugzilla ? | 04:03 |
| sebhub | ./rtems/freebsd/dev/usb/controller/ohci_lpc24xx.c:DRIVER_MODULE(ohci, nexus, ohci_driver, ohci_devclass, 0, 0); | 04:03 |
| sebhub | yes, it in the bugzilla tar file | 04:03 |
| sebhub | ./rtems/freebsd/rtems/rtems-bsd-autoconf.c | 04:04 |
| kiwichris | Is this a fast or high speed host controller ? | 04:04 |
| sebhub | ohci | 04:04 |
| kiwichris | so fast | 04:04 |
| sebhub | ehci works also | 04:05 |
| kiwichris | I have looked at this one but I am not seeing the how to the root hub device gets added | 04:05 |
| sebhub | i use the normal FreeBSD device tree | 04:05 |
| kiwichris | This is not for RTEMS | 04:06 |
| sebhub | the root bus will be initialized via a sysinit entry | 04:06 |
| kiwichris | Ok | 04:06 |
| sebhub | and the sysinit is done by mi_startup() | 04:06 |
| kiwichris | I do not have them or real device tree. | 04:07 |
| sebhub | what do you want to do? | 04:07 |
| kiwichris | Did you port subr_bus.c | 04:07 |
| sebhub | yes | 04:08 |
| kiwichris | I think I may need to do this. | 04:08 |
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| verm__ | why is this bot repeating over and over again | 06:26 |
| verm__ | can someone tell it that once is good enough... | 06:26 |
| sebhub | yes, this bot is a bit verbose | 06:27 |
| sebhub | and off topic | 06:27 |
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| verm__ | DrJoel: for the love of someone shut that bot up | 14:12 |
| verm__ | 90% of my scrollback is those two lines :( | 14:12 |
| verm__ | does it have to spam every X mins? | 14:12 |
| verm__ | otherwise it's cool :) | 14:12 |
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| DrJoel | My son went 3 days without feedback from a mentor. :( | 14:18 |
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| sebhub | good morning | 01:40 |
| kiwichris | sebhub, hi | 01:42 |
| kiwichris | sebhub, do you have a linker script example for _bsd_set_* ? | 01:50 |
| sebhub | I send you one by email | 01:51 |
| kiwichris | Thanks | 01:52 |
| sebhub | sysctl is also supported (independent of the sysctl of the network stack) | 01:54 |
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| sebhub | originally i disabled the sysctl and tuneables so save space, but for the network stack this didn't seem to be adequate | 01:57 |
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| kiwichris | sebhub, I noticed you have turned off the __GNUCLIKE___SECTION off | 02:11 |
| sebhub | no, its all inside this section | 02:12 |
| sebhub | i added the _bsd prefix to not interfere with the network stack | 02:12 |
| kiwichris | Ah yes. | 02:12 |
| kiwichris | You removed the & from the BEGIN and LIMIT ? | 02:12 |
| sebhub | yes, this is a FreeBSD bug visible on PowerPC with small data area | 02:13 |
| kiwichris | Ok. This broke me. | 02:13 |
| kiwichris | Well I got warnings | 02:14 |
| sebhub | what for warnings? | 02:14 |
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| kiwichris | The users of the macro want ** and the array has * so & gives **. | 02:14 |
| kiwichris | I hope that made sense :) | 02:15 |
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| sebhub | which file and line? | 02:16 |
| kiwichris | Inside mi_startup | 02:17 |
| kiwichris | init_main.c | 02:17 |
| sebhub | ok, I need to fix this warning | 02:21 |
| kiwichris | I just but back the & in the linker_set.h | 02:21 |
| sebhub | hm, did you remove the []? | 02:22 |
| kiwichris | in BEGIN and LIMIT ? | 02:22 |
| sebhub | yes | 02:23 |
| kiwichris | Did not have any !! | 02:23 |
| sebhub | SET_DECLARE | 02:23 |
| kiwichris | Ah ok I may have removed something | 02:23 |
| kiwichris | It could be me. | 02:24 |
| sebhub | the [] is important on powerpc with eabi and small data area | 02:25 |
| kiwichris | Sure. That would work. | 02:25 |
| sebhub | #define SET_DECLARE(set, ptype)\ | 02:29 |
| sebhub | extern ptype *__CONCAT(_bsd__start_set_,set) [];\ | 02:29 |
| sebhub | extern ptype *__CONCAT(_bsd__stop_set_,set) [] | 02:29 |
| sebhub | this fixes the warning | 02:30 |
| kiwichris | sebhub, where is _bsd_nexus_devices allocated | 03:37 |
| sebhub | rtems/freebsd/machine/rtems-bsd-sysinit.h | 03:45 |
| sebhub | DRIVER_MODULE(nexus, root, nexus_driver, nexus_devclass, 0, 0); | 03:46 |
| sebhub | this happens via the module mechanic | 03:46 |
| sebhub | please have a look at the usb-demo from the bugzilla (see file usb-sysinit.h) | 03:47 |
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| kiwichris | sebhub, rman is used in subr_bus.c | 03:54 |
| sebhub | there are some blocks disabled via #ifdef __rtems__ | 03:54 |
| kiwichris | Ok | 03:54 |
| sebhub | #ifndef | 03:54 |
| kiwichris | Ah ok. I do not have an RTEMS compiler so will change it | 03:55 |
| sebhub | you should define __rtems__ | 03:56 |
| kiwichris | Yeap | 03:56 |
| verm__ | kiwichris: got access today.. i'll start setting up buildbot | 03:58 |
| kiwichris | verm__, cool | 03:58 |
| sebhub | oh, another bot ;-) | 03:59 |
| kiwichris | sebhub, this is a nice one that will do builds and run tests | 04:00 |
| kiwichris | sebhub, I can see _bdm_nexus_devices but no actual variable just references | 04:01 |
| kiwichris | I have the 2010-11-19 patch | 04:01 |
| sebhub | rtems/freebsd/rtems/rtems-bsd-nexus.c | 04:02 |
| sebhub | here: DRIVER_MODULE(nexus, root, nexus_driver, nexus_devclass, 0, 0); | 04:02 |
| sebhub | this will make nexus a child of root | 04:02 |
| kiwichris | I see the code that uses the variable but I cannot see where it is declared | 04:03 |
| sebhub | in your application you have to reference this module descriptor to pull in the nexus device | 04:03 |
| kiwichris | Ah that is the bit I was missing. | 04:03 |
| kiwichris | Is this in the demo ? | 04:03 |
| sebhub | if you have the module in your executable, then it will put an entry into the module linker set und this will trigger the registration | 04:04 |
| sebhub | yes, in the usb-demo | 04:04 |
| kiwichris | I will take a look. | 04:04 |
| sebhub | this is a bit confusing, but the freebsd kernel is only a set of modules and not a library | 04:05 |
| sebhub | it works with the linker set indirection | 04:05 |
| kiwichris | Yes and I like it. Piecing it together can be complex | 04:05 |
| kiwichris | This is enough for me today. See you tomorrow. | 04:06 |
| verm__ | kiwichris: are the rtems servers running off of someones dsl line? | 04:06 |
| sebhub | cu | 04:06 |
| kiwichris | It is the OAR Corp service. | 04:06 |
| kiwichris | Cannot remember the speed. It is not too bad but performance comes and goes and we are not sure why | 04:07 |
| verm__ | right, but is it actually colocated at a hosting facility or on a dsl line? | 04:07 |
| verm__ | yes | 04:07 |
| verm__ | it's insanely slow for me right now | 04:07 |
| verm__ | unbelivably slow | 04:07 |
| kiwichris | On a DSL line | 04:07 |
| kiwichris | Yeap it can happen. | 04:07 |
| kiwichris | Checking munim | 04:07 |
| kiwichris | Checking munin | 04:07 |
| verm__ | kiwichris: am i OK for installing packages for rtbf32a? | 04:08 |
| kiwichris | Have you got root ? | 04:08 |
| verm__ | i'm not added to sudo | 04:09 |
| verm__ | if that's how you typically do root | 04:09 |
| kiwichris | Can you send me a list and I will install them. | 04:09 |
| verm__ | they're manual installs | 04:09 |
| verm__ | i can give you the tarballs | 04:09 |
| kiwichris | What packages ? | 04:09 |
| kiwichris | Put them on the machine and send me the link | 04:09 |
| verm__ | buildbot + it's dependencies.. twisted we can do via yum | 04:10 |
| verm__ | alright | 04:10 |
| kiwichris | so buildbot is not an RPM ? | 04:10 |
| verm__ | beats me never checked | 04:10 |
| verm__ | only ancient versions | 04:11 |
| verm__ | it's fine actually i'll use the devel version of buildbot | 04:12 |
| verm__ | let me sort out the other deps though hold on | 04:12 |
| kiwichris | Is buildbot master on rtems.org ? | 04:12 |
| verm__ | no i'll be putting that on rtbf32a | 04:12 |
| kiwichris | Joel and I where wondering distcc as a way to handle bulds | 04:12 |
| kiwichris | Where is the http access ? | 04:12 |
| verm__ | probably buildbot.rtems.org and we'll hang that off of rtems.org | 04:13 |
| verm__ | using mod_proxy in apache | 04:13 |
| kiwichris | Have you talked to Joel and Jeff about this ? | 04:13 |
| kiwichris | I know rtems.org is UPS'ed. Not sure about rtbf32a | 04:14 |
| verm__ | if everything is not ups'd then there's no real point in the master having that :) | 04:15 |
| verm__ | and yes joel is aware | 04:15 |
| kiwichris | Good point. | 04:15 |
| kiwichris | Great. | 04:15 |
| verm__ | i wonder if i can find you guys some cheap hosting in georgia | 04:15 |
| kiwichris | I suspect the yum repo and tools build bits would make this complex | 04:16 |
| verm__ | what do you mean? | 04:17 |
| kiwichris | Ralf pushes large tool yum repo for a wide range of hosts and architecture. | 04:18 |
| kiwichris | This is how users get the tool sets | 04:18 |
| verm__ | oh | 04:18 |
| verm__ | right well we can automate that most likely, and test them as well before shipping it out | 04:18 |
| verm__ | after rtems itself is working we can look into that if ralph is interested | 04:18 |
| kiwichris | There is a buildbot.noarch package in yum | 04:21 |
| verm__ | i'm going to use the git repo | 04:21 |
| kiwichris | Ah ok. | 04:21 |
| kiwichris | Can this be anywhere on disk ? | 04:21 |
| verm__ | well there's a special setup method to use the git repo directly i'll use that | 04:22 |
| kiwichris | Ok | 04:22 |
| verm__ | i'm also going to install mysql in my homedir and run it that way | 04:22 |
| kiwichris | Where is your home ? | 04:22 |
| verm__ | /users/amar | 04:22 |
| kiwichris | is it nfs mounted or local ? | 04:23 |
| kiwichris | It is mounted via nfs | 04:23 |
| verm__ | hmm yeah it's nfs i didn't realise | 04:23 |
| verm__ | nuts | 04:23 |
| verm__ | kiwichris: i need a working mysql install (5.x) twisted and Jinja2 | 04:24 |
| verm__ | and py-mysql | 04:24 |
| kiwichris | Maybe you should use rtbf64a where your home is local | 04:24 |
| kiwichris | I am off. cya | 04:27 |
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| DrJoel | aanjhan: are you awake? | 08:17 |
| DrJoel | aanjhan: Can you help http://www.google-melange.com/gci/task/show/google/gci2010/rtems/t128933975334? He is trying the GSOC hello world on Ubuntu | 08:17 |
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| aanjhan | DrJoel: yes\ | 10:57 |
| DrJoel | aanjhan: thank you. I thought it would be interesting to see how a Code-In student could handle the gsoc hello world. That will tell us if the instruction are good enough. Lowering the entry bar is always important | 10:58 |
| aanjhan | DrJoel: ok. reading the task | 10:58 |
| aanjhan | and his problem | 10:58 |
| aanjhan | DrJoel: and probably I can go through the exercise with him | 10:59 |
| aanjhan | I have a working rtems toolchain setup in my personal laptop | 10:59 |
| aanjhan | but it should be a good idea to run through the same on my work laptop and see if we are missing something | 10:59 |
| DrJoel | if it turns out to be too hard for the difficulty level, we can kill this task and create one that is harder for them | 11:00 |
| DrJoel | harder ==> more points for them | 11:01 |
| aanjhan | Since my work laptop already has a whole bunch of libs installed | 11:03 |
| aanjhan | its a good idea to create a virtual box image of a fresh install and see how rtems installation goes | 11:03 |
| aanjhan | so that I dont miss out on some libs that might not be present on a fresh install but I have installed it already for some other purposes | 11:04 |
| DrJoel | agreed. Clean machines tend to point out dependencies that "normal" machines hide | 11:10 |
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| lekernel | how am I supposed to stat() instead of rtems_io_lookup_name() as http://www.rtems.org/onlinedocs/doxygen/cpukit/html/io_8h.html suggests? | 12:09 |
| lekernel | in struct stat, there is | 12:09 |
| lekernel | dev_t st_dev; /* ID of device containing file */ | 12:09 |
| lekernel | and nothing else | 12:10 |
| lekernel | ah, or is it st_rdev? | 12:10 |
| lekernel | sorry, misread | 12:10 |
| DrJoel | lekernel: OK? rtems_io_lookup_name() uses stat() if you need details | 12:23 |
| lekernel | yup. stat() works | 12:23 |
| lekernel | I just read too fast and missed the fact there was a st_rdev field in the structure | 12:23 |
| lekernel | rtems_io_lookup_name was removed in 4.11, no? | 12:24 |
| DrJoel | I don't remember but don't think so. It is just not reentrant. | 12:25 |
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| lekernel | to call into my device driver using rtems_io_control, can I set iop to NULL in the request if my device driver doesn't use it? | 13:06 |
| lekernel | if not, what am I supposed to put in it? :) | 13:06 |
| lekernel | (http://www.rtems.org/onlinedocs/doxygen/cpukit/html/structrtems__libio__ioctl__args__t.html) | 13:06 |
| DrJoel | You should be able to do that. Is it getting trapped by a NULL check somewhere? | 13:11 |
| DrJoel | but normally you open the device by name, and use ioctl() via the filesystem | 13:11 |
| DrJoel | just like posix | 13:11 |
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| lekernel | can I use the posix calls from within a filesystem itself? won't it bomb if the filesystem calls itself? | 13:13 |
| Holycry | Mr. Sherrill could you regive me the task titled: Test Coverage HTML Improvements, I accidentally hit the withdraw button | 13:14 |
| lekernel | I'm a bit cautious about calling open() and creating new file descriptors from within a filesystem... | 13:15 |
| lekernel | but maybe it just works :) | 13:16 |
| DrJoel | Holycry: can't you reclaim it? | 13:19 |
| DrJoel | lekernel: :D | 13:20 |
| DrJoel | Holycry: If Melange won't let you reclaim it you will probably want to pop into #gsoc and see if Sverre can help. He may have to undo something by hand | 13:21 |
| Holycry | No I can reclaim it, I just need you to give me the task I reclaimed it | 13:21 |
| DrJoel | Weird.. I didn't get any email updates on that. You should have it now. | 13:25 |
| DrJoel | Does the task make sense? | 13:25 |
| Holycry | So you want the columns 2 through 4 to be in the header right? | 13:26 |
| DrJoel | yes. But the table is generated by a shell script. | 13:26 |
| Holycry | From the rtems-testing CVS module right? | 13:27 |
| DrJoel | right.. rtems-coverage/generate_coverage_html | 13:27 |
| DrJoel | if yuo grab a few tarballs from the coverage directory on the ftp site, you will have enough test data to run the script. | 13:28 |
| Holycry | Ok I'll work on it, thanks for the help, if I need more I'll talk to you later, thanks! | 13:34 |
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| lekernel | ok, i'm able to create directories on the flash filesystem (which are correctly stored on flash and retrieved later) :) | 14:52 |
| lekernel | I should only need to finish that mad filesystem glue now... | 14:53 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, congradulations | 14:53 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, have to managed to figure out the eval path code ? | 14:53 |
| kiwichris | ... have you .... | 14:53 |
| lekernel | the normal eval_path yes (and I hate it) | 14:54 |
| lekernel | eval_for_make not yet | 14:54 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, join the club :) | 14:54 |
| kiwichris | Looking at that code is like a visit to the dentist | 14:55 |
| kiwichris | Is the fs code in RTEMS's tree or outside as a 3rd party package ? | 14:56 |
| lekernel | it's outside - YAFFS is plain GPL (without linking exception) | 14:56 |
| kiwichris | Ok | 14:56 |
| lekernel | https://github.com/lekernel/rtems-yaffs2 | 14:56 |
| DrJoel | kiwichris: cut and pasted some text for you to review | 15:01 |
| kiwichris | DrJoel, looks great | 15:14 |
| DrJoel | thanks. | 15:15 |
| kiwichris | inch by inch | 15:15 |
| DrJoel | yep.. it will happen. :-D | 15:15 |
| verm__ | kiwichris: can you install mysql (atleast 5), jinja2 and twisted on rtbf32a? | 15:27 |
| kiwichris | Sure | 15:28 |
| verm__ | thanks | 15:28 |
| verm__ | DrJoel: where are the rtems servers located? i noticed it's on a dsl connection.. | 15:28 |
| DrJoel | verm__: they are not on a DSL connection. We do have VOIP from the same provider though | 15:32 |
| verm__ | they aren't? so they're colocated? | 15:32 |
| verm__ | wow, i wonder why the lag is so intense | 15:32 |
| kiwichris | verm__, installed, how-ever jinja2 is an fc12 package and I have no idea why that would have happened | 15:33 |
| verm__ | so what does that mean? | 15:33 |
| verm__ | it's not installed? | 15:33 |
| kiwichris | verm__, it is installed, but yum pulled in an fc12 package. I will ask Ralf. | 15:34 |
| kiwichris | verm__, the answer will take a few hours ... when he gets up | 15:34 |
| DrJoel | rtems.info is on a cable connection (in my basement) but rtems.org/.com is on a 6Mbps bidirectional link. Don't know the technology. rtbf machines are out a 2nd GiGE NIC through a dedicated switch to lab in next room | 15:34 |
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| DrJoel | verm__: the servers are in Huntsville. | 15:35 |
| verm__ | oh, hmm 6mb bidirectional... | 15:36 |
| verm__ | are you guys using QoS to ensure ssh sessions have the highest priority? | 15:36 |
| DrJoel | doing iftop, I don't see much traffic | 15:36 |
| verm__ | it's not so bad now, last night was unusable | 15:36 |
| DrJoel | verm__: no.. email a link to doing that | 15:37 |
| verm__ | hmm i only know how to do it using pf really.. what firewall are you using? | 15:37 |
| DrJoel | verm__: at what time? Ralf complains also and we haven't pinned down what is happening | 15:37 |
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| DrJoel | Adtran dedicated box.. | 15:37 |
| kiwichris | I also look and could not see why | 15:38 |
| DrJoel | right now, yahoo and msn are slowly crawling us but very slowly.. | 15:38 |
| verm__ | it's probably a twofold issue, partly the isps fault and link conjestion | 15:38 |
| verm__ | DrJoel: what model of adtran device? | 15:38 |
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| verm__ | we could also do this on the rtems.org machine too since it's the gateway for the lab no? | 15:39 |
| verm__ | or do you have vlans setup? | 15:39 |
| kiwichris | verm__, do you mean buildbot ? | 15:40 |
| verm__ | kiwichris: no QoS | 15:40 |
| kiwichris | Ok | 15:40 |
| verm__ | so we can put priority on traffic | 15:40 |
| kiwichris | Nice | 15:40 |
| verm__ | ie, ssh -> http -> ftp | 15:40 |
| verm__ | etc | 15:40 |
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| verm__ | well ACK -> ssh -> http -> ftp -> everything else perhaps | 15:40 |
| DrJoel | verm__: pm'ed model | 15:40 |
| kiwichris | maybe mail with ftp | 15:40 |
| verm__ | got it | 15:41 |
| verm__ | yeah either way ssh first :) | 15:41 |
| DrJoel | verm__: yes.. rtems.org is gateway to lab .. QoS is possible if you send instructions to jeff who set the account up | 15:41 |
| DrJoel | or tell Chris how to do it :-D | 15:41 |
| verm__ | well as you know, i use every unix except linux so i'm not quite sure on how to do it | 15:42 |
| verm__ | however i do know people i can ask.. i will do that tonight | 15:42 |
| kiwichris | I have no idea | 15:42 |
| DrJoel | thanks.. we are always learning | 15:42 |
| verm__ | DrJoel: that adran device is old and crusty.. we'll do it off of rtems.org | 15:42 |
| verm__ | if we can get a freebsd box with pf i'll have it running in about 15 mins :) | 15:43 |
| DrJoel | I've done the same for my kids' school with a discarded computer and an old fedora | 15:45 |
| verm__ | yeah i stopped using hardware based gateways many years ago it's not worth it anymore | 15:47 |
| kiwichris | verm__, by pf do you mean pfsense ? | 15:49 |
| verm__ | no, pf the firewall | 15:50 |
| kiwichris | Ok | 15:50 |
| verm__ | pfsense is an all-in-one gateway solution | 15:50 |
| verm__ | like m0n0wall | 15:50 |
| verm__ | http://www.openbsd.org/faq/pf/ | 15:50 |
| kiwichris | thanks | 15:51 |
| * kiwichris will be back soon | 15:52 | |
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| lekernel | nice... there are still bugs in this damn path evaluation | 16:19 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, did you take a look at the RFS one. I spent a while getting this one corret | 16:20 |
| lekernel | how to find the current directory node? rtems_filesystem_current.node_access doesn't work reliably | 16:25 |
| lekernel | (and why do I have to deal with that at all in my filesystem to start with) | 16:25 |
| lekernel | yes, I did look at RFS, it works very differently than YAFFS | 16:26 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, it is historical. It started with IMFS which as written to help testing and no one has taken on changing it | 16:26 |
| kiwichris | I mean just the eval path code in the RFS | 16:26 |
| lekernel | when the eval path function gets called, does pathloc contain the current directory? | 16:27 |
| lekernel | and should I use that instead of rtems_filesystem_current? | 16:27 |
| kiwichris | No you cannot do this. A file system has no current path, a user does, or in RTEMS a task may | 16:28 |
| kiwichris | I assume you mean CWD | 16:28 |
| kiwichris | Just checking the code. | 16:28 |
| lekernel | the thing is - when I'm in the shell, and type "mkdir blah" | 16:29 |
| lekernel | that stupid retard calls eval_path with "blah" in pathname - up to me to figure out what the current directory is... | 16:30 |
| kiwichris | Ah yes in the that case pathloc is the current evaluation point. | 16:30 |
| lekernel | so, I used rtems_filesystem_current to deal with those cases, but it doesn't work all the time | 16:31 |
| kiwichris | Just looking for the answer | 16:31 |
| kiwichris | The file systems upper layer calls rtems_filesystem_get_start_loc to find the current location and loads pathloc. | 16:33 |
| kiwichris | This code either gets the root or the current. | 16:33 |
| lekernel | ah, ok | 16:34 |
| lekernel | cool | 16:34 |
| kiwichris | This part of the code is broken because it is not thread safe. I think you find somewhere the "current" can be a task variable and can be switched | 16:34 |
| lekernel | this simplifies things a bit | 16:34 |
| lekernel | ah, and it fixed my bug :) | 16:35 |
| lekernel | thanks | 16:35 |
| kiwichris | So when a user does a 'cd' to your file system the eval path will fill a pathloc in with some private data you can use. | 16:35 |
| kiwichris | This ends up in current and you use it again | 16:35 |
| kiwichris | In the RFS I made sure I could hold any needed data in the pathloc and removed the need to allocate memory and free it when the pathloc is not needed. This is a performance win. | 16:36 |
| kiwichris | To finish there are many race conditions in the FS upper layer and this should be fixed. When this happens I hope eval path can be abstracted away from the file systems | 16:38 |
| DrJoel | heading home.. night | 16:38 |
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| lekernel | that's would be a good idea :) | 16:38 |
| lekernel | what's the current status of this work btw? | 16:38 |
| kiwichris | An example of a race condition is mkdir -> mknod -> gets current, preempted and current is removed | 16:39 |
| lekernel | ah, yes, I was wondering what was supposed to happen in those cases | 16:39 |
| kiwichris | It is a big job because all existing file systems would need to be changed. | 16:39 |
| lekernel | so, it just breaks? | 16:39 |
| kiwichris | Yeap | 16:39 |
| lekernel | :| | 16:40 |
| kiwichris | We are single process and not multi-user which helps and I suppose partly why this area is not thread safe | 16:40 |
| kiwichris | Most applications tend to handle this at upper layers. This is no excuse. We do this properly | 16:40 |
| * lekernel thankfully doesn't do heavy file I/O... | 16:41 | |
| kiwichris | We should do this .... | 16:41 |
| kiwichris | If we could get community funding this size task could be performed. | 16:41 |
| kiwichris | Sebastian and I have been cleanly up the file system. The bdbuf was a major effort and now that is stable and functionally complete | 16:42 |
| lekernel | well, maybe if I sell a lot of devices :) | 16:42 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, great and the best of luck | 16:42 |
| kiwichris | I hope this helps you understand the history and the constraints that exists | 16:43 |
| kiwichris | I would love to change it but we also need a better device model for hot swap buses and child devices on buses | 16:44 |
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| lekernel | most of yaffs2 works now :) | 13:09 |
| lekernel | except some bugs with that retarded eval_path and a few missing bits | 13:09 |
| lekernel | eg deleting files with full path (instead of using the current directory) triggers some bug | 13:10 |
| lekernel | but at least I have something somehow usable | 13:12 |
| lekernel | btw speaking about awful rtems problems, the ftpd doesn't handle filenames with spaces in them... | 13:13 |
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| Holycry | Mr. Sherrill for my task if you remember (Test Coverage HTML Improvements( that's the title)) for columns 2 through 4, Do you want, when they are all the same, to say "constant" at the header, or say exactly what they are suppose to say, such as if they were all yes, just have the header on top say the topic/title of that column then say (yes)? | 15:16 |
| DrJoel | to say in English what the code means | 15:17 |
| DrJoel | Something like ... sparc/erc32-Os, POSIX enabled, Development enabled (OsPD) | 15:18 |
| DrJoel | Does that make sense | 15:20 |
| Holycry | Oh so for the title you just want it to say sparc/erc32-Os, POSIX enabled, Development enabled (OsPD), and if so does that mean you want me to remove columns 2 through 4 completely or do you want it to check if those columns are constant first and if they are then remove them? | 15:24 |
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| Holycry | Mr. Sherrill? | 15:36 |
| lekernel | lol: thanks to this wonderful filesystem evaluation infrastructure, any filename longer than IMFS_NAME_MAX on any filesystem will cause problems if the root is IMFS | 15:36 |
| aanjhan | DrJoel: do you think thats a bit too much a task (rtems toolset Ubuntu + hello World) ? I think the wiki page is not clear enough | 15:36 |
| aanjhan | DrJoel: I made some changes toay to that page | 15:37 |
| aanjhan | DrJoel: will modify it better tomorrow. I have a review to finish now. Let me know your views on the task. | 15:37 |
| lekernel | that is, 32 | 15:37 |
| aanjhan | Holycry: you can call him by his nick | 15:37 |
| aanjhan | Holycry: just enter "Dr" and press tab. It shoul auto-complete on a decent irc client | 15:38 |
| Holycry | dr | 15:38 |
| aanjhan | Holycry: hehe | 15:38 |
| aanjhan | Holycry: capital D :P | 15:38 |
| Holycry | DrJoel: Oh so for the title you just want it to say sparc/erc32-Os, POSIX enabled, Development enabled (OsPD), and if so does that mean you want me to remove columns 2 through 4 completely or do you want it to check if those columns are constant first and if they are then remove them? | 15:38 |
| Holycry | haha thanks | 15:38 |
| dr__house | aanjhan: no that would mess up because of my nick :P | 15:39 |
| aanjhan | oooooh someone from penn is around | 15:39 |
| DrJoel | aanjhan: If the task expires, I may recreate it for him at a higher difficulty level for more credit | 15:41 |
| dr__house | :) | 15:41 |
| dr__house | DrJoel: good evening | 15:41 |
| dr__house | aanjhan: heya :) | 15:41 |
| DrJoel | Holycry: You have to edit the shell script (e.g. program) that generates those tables. For each table, those columns are constant because the program generated them that way. At one point, it was a single long table and it made sense for the columns to be there. | 15:42 |
| mwalle | DrJoel: i started preparing my qemu-lm32 patch for upstream merging, still some things todo | 15:47 |
| aanjhan | DrJoel: he is working and is helping in refining that OLD wiki page :-) | 15:53 |
| aanjhan | So am not complaining. | 15:53 |
| DrJoel | aanjhan: I think it is a good thing.. just maybe harder than what the task was intended to be. So probably need to find a way to move him to a special one when this one expires | 16:02 |
| DrJoel | mwalle: great! | 16:02 |
| mwalle | DrJoel: to whom did you talked about the merging? | 16:03 |
| DrJoel | qemu powerpc maintainer | 16:10 |
| DrJoel | would have to look up his name | 16:10 |
| mwalle | alex graf? | 16:11 |
| DrJoel | yep!! | 16:12 |
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| kristianpaul | I think i asked this before, but anway,, | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | What's the min amount of memory to boot rtems? | 12:04 |
| kristianpaul | ok seems at least lm32 works with 1Mb | 12:07 |
| kristianpaul | MB* | 12:07 |
| dr__house | kristianpaul: I think it works on smaller systems as well. If I am not mistaken it might run on something as low as 64kB | 12:13 |
| dr__house | kristianpaul: but I don't know what architecture/BSP that is and I am not even sure about the size | 12:13 |
| kristianpaul | dr__house: it is lm32 | 12:16 |
| kristianpaul | ok i can get 64kB | 12:16 |
| kristianpaul | dr__house: it was developed by Fallenou in last GSoc | 12:17 |
| dr__house | kristianpaul: again, I am not too sure about it. And I don't know where I can check the correctness of this information | 12:17 |
| kristianpaul | sure i understand | 12:18 |
| dr__house | kristianpaul: oh well, does this mean it can run on 16kB http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/AVRTest? It says the non volatile EEPROM flash memory on AVR is 16kB. | 12:20 |
| kristianpaul | hmm hard to believe, i dont see too much informatio | 12:22 |
| dr__house | kristianpaul: ok, it runs on 512kB on RTL22xx http://www.rtems.com/wiki/index.php/Rtl22xx | 12:22 |
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| * kiwichris waves to lekernel | 13:49 | |
| lekernel | hi kiwichris | 13:49 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, well done on the YAFFS port | 13:50 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, does your port make any upstream changes to YAFFS ? | 13:53 |
| lekernel | very minor ones | 13:54 |
| kiwichris | Will those be sent upstream ? | 13:54 |
| lekernel | trying to | 13:55 |
| kiwichris | Great. | 13:55 |
| kiwichris | Can I raise a small issue with about a comment in the RTEMS port of the code. | 13:56 |
| kiwichris | :) | 13:56 |
| lekernel | can't see which one :p | 13:58 |
| kiwichris | I am looking for it. It was sent to me :) | 13:59 |
| kiwichris | I like the YAFFS solution. The need to pay is kind of counter open source but for those that need a solution it provides one and that is ok with me. | 14:01 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, the ycb_eval_path function | 14:03 |
| kiwichris | lekernel, I know you and everyone else hates the eval path code but does this extend to all of the RTEMS file system ? | 14:04 |
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| kiwichris | lekernel, on line 358 of rtems.c should that be "return *pathloc->ops->evalpath ..." ? | 14:12 |
| lekernel | you mean, to execute the function? | 14:14 |
| lekernel | both syntaxes are equivalent | 14:15 |
| lekernel | you can do (*function_pointer)(...) or simply function_pointer(...) | 14:15 |
| kiwichris | just wandered off the page and now going back | 14:15 |
| kiwichris | Hang on | 14:16 |
| lekernel | (comment) better now? :p | 14:16 |
| kiwichris | Many thanks. | 14:16 |
| lekernel | btw if this filesystem refactoring happens you really should have a look at the FUSE API | 14:17 |
| lekernel | simple and effective | 14:17 |
| kiwichris | Yes it must be. I was comparing functions and given an int is returned | 14:17 |
| lekernel | maybe it incurs some memory management overhead, but it's worth it imo | 14:17 |
| kiwichris | I have and that is a great idea. I had not thought of that | 14:17 |
| lekernel | and if malloc is that slow (?) perhaps you can simply keep a pool of pre-allocated buffer at hand | 14:17 |
| kiwichris | The RFS is designed to be taken from RTEMS and glued under things like fuse | 14:18 |
| lekernel | why not make a FUSE-like API the standard for all filesystems? | 14:18 |
| kiwichris | That the core of the bdbuf layer. I understand the bdbuf and YAFFS not fitting | 14:18 |
| lekernel | it's already well known and well documented | 14:19 |
| lekernel | (and well designed) | 14:19 |
| kiwichris | Good idea. I will take a closer look. | 14:19 |
| lekernel | I haven't checked out how FUSE handles race conditions, though | 14:19 |
| kiwichris | We also have a USB stack port from FreeBSD (PR 1601) and that has mass storage support | 14:19 |
| kiwichris | I have not looked at the vfs glue it uses. | 14:20 |
| lekernel | http://www.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-fuse/ | 14:20 |
| kiwichris | Because RTEMS is a threaded single process we are a kind of user space. | 14:21 |
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| lekernel | yeah, maybe that could even ease the porting of userspace filesystems designed for FUSE | 14:22 |
| lekernel | I want my sshfs :) | 14:22 |
| kiwichris | That is what I was wondering. | 14:23 |
| kiwichris | I have ported SSL to rtems so the bits are slowly coming | 14:23 |
| kiwichris | The memory management is always an issue because we run in some small and slow devices. | 14:24 |
| kiwichris | The RFS is designed to run in a slow (50Mhz) processor | 14:24 |
| lekernel | sure, but string related operations to handle paths and filenames operate on rather small strings, no? | 14:24 |
| lekernel | I don't think that could hog even a 50MHz CPU | 14:25 |
| kiwichris | Completely agree. I was just looking at fuse | 14:25 |
| kiwichris | There is no excuse for eval path. It should be called eval_pain rather than eval_path | 14:25 |
| kiwichris | or even evil_pain | 14:26 |
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| Holycry | Anyone a little more familiar with Bourne Script code then I am? I have a syntax error and I've been trying to fix it | 18:25 |
| Holycry | Ha nevermind finally got it =) | 18:29 |
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| Holycry | So is there anyway I can contact Joel Sherrill> | 19:09 |
| Holycry | "Dr" | 19:13 |
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| lekernel | how can I retrieve the IP address of an interface? rtems_bsdnet_ifconfig(iface, SIOCGIFADDR, &ipaddr) ? | 09:55 |
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| lekernel | yup, works :) | 10:14 |
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